Thursday, March 02, 2006

The degaying of Temple Bar

Ryan Tubridy was in Temple Bar on Tuesday. Lots of interviews with traders, cultural workers, residents and visitors. No mention of the gay community or the lesbian and gay owned businesses or residents of the area, but should we expect anything else.

Senator David Norris called in to leave message about the gay history of Temple Bar- Ryan read the message – ‘the world would still be waiting for Temple Bar only for the energy of the gay community who started the whole thing off.’ Ryan replies ‘and they’ll take credit for that too (laughs) and why not.’ He finishes the programme.

Someone needs to document the impact of the gay community in Temple Bar – Temple Bar Properties degayed the area and its history when they took over. But from my memory and the many stories I heard and people I have met before the stag, hens, tourists and posh penthouses took over, Temple Bar was a run down bus park where few people ventured into. The Hirschfeld Centre was a vital resource and lesbians and gay men still own and work in business’s there and with the impending opening of a new gay bar the area will again be queered. But God forbid that us queers take credit for anything….we should know our place.

14 Comments:

At 18:42, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Jeez ya stupid dyke d'ya not have more in life to be getting on with than to be dyked up on why gays/lesbos arent thanked enough...for god's sake. will your group of muff divers not just sit back, relax and shut the fuck up and get on with life. It's too short to be wanting to be constantly thanked. Ryan is a honey and a refreshing part of our lives today!! Get used to it. He's here to stay...

 
At 19:12, Anonymous Ian McGahon said...

Charming previous comment

 
At 20:37, Blogger EWI said...

I've read before (forget where) that Tubridy is one of the new breed of right-wing young 'fuddy-duddys', so this didn't greatly surprise me.

 
At 03:40, Anonymous Rob said...

Ah, generation Y, or something.

Ironically, the word verification thing on this comment system is asking me to type "wxzfag" :)

 
At 17:26, Anonymous Anonymous said...

well ian if all you can add is 'charming previous comment' I dont think I am going to gauge whether you thought mamam poulet's comment on ryan and the temple bar issue in general, was just that bit too 'gay naval gazing'ish'.

Ryan doesnt appear 'a right wing fuddy duddy' either. he is light, if at times frivolous, and gets to the heart of what a lot of people think but dare not admit...the usual irish trait.

If we're going to debate and discuss, for god's sake can it not be somewhat more cerebral than this...

 
At 22:06, Blogger Suzy said...

If we are going to debate and discuss Anon maybe you'd care to give us a name? blog?

 
At 12:29, Anonymous Anonymous said...

No name thanks...I'm outa here. Never blogged before so was just testing the waters. What an utterly odd pastime.

 
At 02:56, Blogger click here said...

Jeez ya stupid dyke d'ya not have more in life to be getting on with than to be dyked up on why gays/lesbos arent thanked enough...for god's sake. will your group of muff divers not just sit back, relax and shut the fuck up and get on with life. It's too short to be wanting to be constantly thanked. Ryan is a honey and a refreshing part of our lives today!! Get used to it. He's here to stay...


I love this anonymous contributor's parody of themselves. Just like Mr. Justin's:

Kudos, or something..

 
At 10:22, Blogger Suzy said...

Click I had been thinking about Anon's syntax a bit...'Ryan is a Honey!'

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At 11:14, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi, I was in the HalfMoon Creperie having my usual delicious crepes, I was present for the whole of the Tubridy Show which was tramsmitted live from the creperie/cafe. His comments at the end in reaction to David Norris was said with a sense of humour and didn't come across as negative towards the gay community. I certainly didn't take offence and neither did my friends who were with me.

 
At 11:16, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sorry, I sent the previous comment as anonymous but should have put in my name as Denise to avoid confusion with previous comments.

 
At 11:47, Blogger Suzy said...

Hi Denise, Thanks for your comments. I think other people have documented this problem with Ryan and matters queer - http://stellanova.livejournal.com/417702.html

I have noticed this for over a year and am only writing it down now. It's not the biggest problem in the world but his tone grates a bit for someone who is educated and has a wide listener/viewership. The whole nudge nudge wink wink thing insinuates that there is something amiss or 'other' about being gay that should be kept outside the mainstream.

I would also query the research that went into the programme which did not look at the history of Temple Bar as a Bohemian space and how this still continues - in particular the contribution that lesbians and gays have made to the area. David was trying to make that point.

Ryan when confronted by homosexuality makes a joke of it or tries quickly to assert that he is not one of them like its something negative. His whole handling of Brokeback Mountain in the past few weeks has demonstrated his problems. If not joking he is making a tragedy of it.

Suzy

 
At 13:11, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well i just couldnt resist - Maman Poulet your comment re.
Ryan's attitude towards gays i.e.
'The whole nudge nudge wink wink thing insinuates that there is something amiss or 'other' about being gay that should be kept outside the mainstream'. Oh so being gay is utterly normal is it? That is utter horse shite. You mean to say that you haven't a X versus Y over supply or defiency? You were the unfortunate one born with too many gay chromasomes. I pity you and the life you have to lead due ot this but it certainly cannot be described as normal or planned. It's a problem you were born with and you and your community can't honestly say that if you had a choice, you would have gone with the sexual sway...

I find it all somewhat lonely for you guys. You insist on opening 'gay specific' bars, creating massive nerdy floats for Paddy's Day and generally acting the maggots about your sexuality. The more you push it in people's faces the more annoying it is - do you not get it? Just be gay and happy...

Also, Syntax schmintax, I write for various publications but like to keep things casual on email/internet ... that ok?

 
At 14:38, Anonymous Stella said...

Anonymous, I trust the "various publications" for which you allegedly write aren't scientific ones.

"You mean to say that you haven't a X versus Y over supply or defiency? You were the unfortunate one born with too many gay chromasomes?"

Such idiocy is beneath criticism. Oh, what the hell, no it's not. There's no such thing as "gay chromosome" (that's how you spell it, by the way) and if that badly expressed chemical algebra in the pargraph I just quoted is meant to refer to X and Y chromosomes, then this has no bearing on sexuality, even in the case of people with AIS. There has been arguments for the existence of a "gay gene" but this has yet to proved and is nothing to do with chromosomal abnormalities anyway.

I find it all somewhat lonely for you guys. You insist on opening 'gay specific' bars, creating massive nerdy floats for Paddy's Day and generally acting the maggots about your sexuality. The more you push it in people's faces the more annoying it is - do you not get it? Just be gay and happy...

So.....first you say that queer people are pitiable tragic lonely figures, then you tell them to "just be gay and happy". What coherent advice. Your objection to gay bars, however, is perhaps the most bewildering - surely all "the gays" congregating in their own spaces mean that you don't have to be traumatised by the horror of having to encounter these pathetic deviants? Isn't that what you want?

And as for your comical assertion that all gay people are self-haters who in their heart of hearts would rather be straight, well, why not spend an evening in the George and see how miserable everyone is. If you can bear the horror. You could always talk to the many gay parents who are bringing up children in happy families (and studies have shown that children brought up in such families are just as well adjusted as children from stable straight homes), but perhaps that would really be too much for you to take in.

Also, I know plenty of people who fancy both men and women - I'm sure you've got some preposterous pseudo-scientific theory about them too - and yet, somehow they can bring themselves to choose the "lonely" path of having hot sex and loving relationships with people of their own gender, although they might have gone for what you obviously consider the happier and easier path of romance with the opposite sex in the past and, serial monogamists as many people are, may well do so again in the future.

Finally, if there are lots of people who truly wish that they weren't gay - and I know there are - then maybe, just maybe, that's because this country is still full of nasty, moronic bigots like you and your witless "honey" Ryan.

 

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